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KDE Frameworks 6.5 brings a little new feature for localizing prefix and suffix texts in spin boxes. It’s also a good reminder of the level of detail we have to pay attention to when preparing our software for being translated.

The problem

Qt spin boxes can have inline prefix and suffix strings. That’s commonly used for units.

There’s multiple challenges when localizing this:

• Plurals: Depending on the selected quantity different plural forms for prefixes/suffixes might be needed (e.g. “1 cake” vs “3 cakes”). How many plural forms there are depends on the language and can be anywhere between none (e.g. Japanese) and six (e.g. Arabic). CLDR’s Language Plural Rules gives you an idea of the complexity.
• Word order: Not all languages place those texts in the same position. For a percent value for example English uses the % sign as a suffix, while Turkish uses it as a prefix.

So just setting a fixed string doesn’t cut it.

Existing solutions

None of that is new, and for the plural handling we do have an existing solution in form of KPluralHandlingSpinBox in KF::TextWidgets. It takes a suffix in form of a KLocalizedString, which it reevaluates each time its value changes to show the correct plural form.

This works but has a number of downsides:

• It’s not solving the word order problem, and it’s only handing suffixes.
• It’s using inheritance and thus is harder to integrate with custom or otherwise more complex existing spin box code.
• The use of inheritance is also limiting it to QSpinBox, not helping with e.g. QDoubleSpinBox.

New API in KF::I18n

Starting with an idea by Emir Sarı and Lukas Sommer for a solution to the word ordering problem and a suggestion by me to generalize the same approach to cover plural handling as well we ended up with two new methods in KF::I18n.

KLocalization::setupSpinBoxFormatString is the one you’ll most commonly need. It allows to set a KLocalizedString format string on any spin box instance. That format string must contain the special placeholder %v, which represents the current spin box value.

Texts before the %v end up in the prefix and the part after it in the suffix, giving translations control over the word order. This can be used both with and without considering plural forms, as shown in the example below.

// with plural QSpinBox spinBox; KLocalization::setupSpinBoxFormatString(&spinBox, ki18np("Baking %v cake", "Baking %v cakes")); // without plural QDoubleSpinBox doubleSpinBox; KLocalization::setupSpinBoxFormatString(&doubleSpinBox, ki18n("%v%"));

As this isn’t relying on inheritance it can be used on QSpinBox, QDoubleSpinBox or any subclass thereof. Being part of KF::I18n also means this is very likely available without needing additional dependencies. All of this should help with a much wider adoption than we ever had for KPluralHandlingSpinBox.

The second new method is KLocalization::retranslateSpinBoxFormatString, which explicitly triggers reevaluating the format string. That’s automatically called when the spin box value changes, but if you are for example supporting runtime language changes you might have the need for manually triggering this as well.

What’s left to do

We need to make use of this. It’s an easy way to contribute, and helps making our software better in other languages than English :)

There’s also the question how to address these issues in QML UIs. Qt’ QML spin box control doesn’t have support for inline prefixes/suffixes, but the problems don’t go away by placing the those texts on the outside.

So a common theme on the Internet about Debian is so old. And right, I am getting close to the stage that I feel a little laggy: I am using a bunch of backports for packages I need, and I'm missing a bunch of other packages that just landed in unstable and didn't make it to backports for various reasons.

I disagree that "old" is a bad thing: we definitely run Debian stable on a fleet of about 100 servers and can barely keep up, I would make it older. And "old" is a good thing: (port) wine and (any) beer needs time to age properly, and so do humans, although some humans never seem to grow old enough to find wisdom.

But at this point, on my laptop, I am feeling like I'm missing out. This page, therefore, is an evolving document that is a twist on the classic NewIn game. Last time I played seems to be #newinwheezy (2013!), so really, I'm due for an update. (To be fair to myself, I do keep tabs on upgrades quite well at home and work, which do have their share of "new in", just after the fact.)

New packages to explore

Those tools are shiny new things available in unstable or perhaps Trixie (testing) already that I am not using yet, but I find interesting enough to list here.

• codesearch: search all of Debian's source code (tens of thousands of packages) from the commandline! (see also dcs-cli, not in Debian)
• dasel: JSON/YML/XML/CSV parser, similar to jq, but different syntax, not sure I'd grow into it, but often need to parse YML like JSON and failing
• fyi: notify-send replacement
• git-subrepo: git-submodule replacement I am considering
• gtklock: swaylock replacement with bells and whistles, particularly interested in showing time, battery and so on
• hyprland: possible Sway replacement, but there are rumors of a toxic community (rebuttal, I haven't reviewed either in detail), so approach carefully)
• ruff: faster Python formatter and linter, flake8/black/isort replacement, alas not mypy/LSP unfortunately, designed to be ran alongside such a tool, which is not possible in Emacs eglot right now, but is possible in lsp-mode
• sfwbar: pretty status bar, may replace waybar, which i am somewhat unhappy with (my UTC clock disappears randomly)
• spytrap-adb: cool spy gear

New packages I won't use

Those are packages that I have tested because I found them interesting, but ended up not using, but I think people could find interesting anyways.

• kew: surprisingly fast music player, parsed my entire library (which is huge) instantaneously and just started playing (I still use Supersonic, for which I maintain a flatpak on my Navidrome server)
• mdformat: good markdown formatter, think black or gofmt but for markdown), but it didn't actually do what I needed, and it's not quite as opinionated as it should (or could) be)

Backports already in use

Those are packages I already use regularly, which have backports or that can just be installed from unstable:

• asn: IP address forensics
• markdownlint: markdown linter, I use that a lot
• poweralertd: pops up "your battery is almost empty" messages
• sway-notification-center: used as part of my status bar, yet another status bar basically, a little noisy, stuck in a libc dep update
• tailspin: used to color logs

Out of date packages

Those are packages that are in Debian stable (Bookworm) already, but that are somewhat lacking and could benefit from an upgrade.

• firmware-iwlwifi: out of date, can install from unstable
• fuzzel / foot: log level noises A, B, fuzzel fix not in debian yet, and if we get to 1.11, my scripts in ~/bin should be patched to use --cache
• pandoc: 3.0 is ridiculously huge, but particularly remove spaces after list marker
• podman: better systemd integration
• pubpaste: out of date, can install from unstable
• tremotesf: out of date backport
• undertime: out of date, can install from unstable
• yt-dlp: out of date, can install from unstable

Last words

If you know of cool things I'm missing out of, then by all means let me know!

That said, overall, this is a pretty short list! I have most of what I need in stable right now, and if I wasn't a Debian developer, I don't think I'd be doing the jump now. But considering how easier it is to develop Debian (and how important it is to test the next release!), I'll probably upgrade soon.

Previously, I was running Debian testing (which why the slug on that article is why-trixie), but now I'm actually considering just running unstable on my laptop directly anyways. It's been a long time since we had any significant instability there, and I can typically deal with whatever happens, except maybe when I'm traveling, and then it's easy to prepare for that (just pin testing).

So a common theme on the Internet about Debian is so old. And right, I am getting close to the stage that I feel a little laggy: I am using a bunch of backports for packages I need, and I'm missing a bunch of other packages that just landed in unstable and didn't make it to backports for various reasons.

I disagree that "old" is a bad thing: we definitely run Debian stable on a fleet of about 100 servers and can barely keep up, I would make it older. And "old" is a good thing: (port) wine and (any) beer needs time to age properly, and so do humans, although some humans never seem to grow old enough to find wisdom.

But at this point, on my laptop, I am feeling like I'm missing out. This page, therefore, is an evolving document that is a twist on the classic NewIn game. Last time I played seems to be #newinwheezy (2013!), so really, I'm due for an update. (To be fair to myself, I do keep tabs on upgrades quite well at home and work, which do have their share of "new in", just after the fact.)

New packages to explore

Those tools are shiny new things available in unstable or perhaps Trixie (testing) already that I am not using yet, but I find interesting enough to list here.

• codesearch: search all of Debian's source code (tens of thousands of packages) from the commandline! (see also dcs-cli, not in Debian)
• dasel: JSON/YML/XML/CSV parser, similar to jq, but different syntax, not sure I'd grow into it, but often need to parse YML like JSON and failing
• fyi: notify-send replacement
• git-subrepo: git-submodule replacement I am considering
• gtklock: swaylock replacement with bells and whistles, particularly interested in showing time, battery and so on
• hyprland: possible Sway replacement, but there are rumors of a toxic community (rebuttal, I haven't reviewed either in detail), so approach carefully)
• ruff: faster Python formatter and linter, flake8/black/isort replacement, alas not mypy/LSP unfortunately, designed to be ran alongside such a tool, which is not possible in Emacs eglot right now, but is possible in lsp-mode
• sfwbar: pretty status bar, may replace waybar, which i am somewhat unhappy with (my UTC clock disappears randomly)
• spytrap-adb: cool spy gear

New packages I won't use

Those are packages that I have tested because I found them interesting, but ended up not using, but I think people could find interesting anyways.

• kew: surprisingly fast music player, parsed my entire library (which is huge) instantaneously and just started playing (I still use Supersonic, for which I maintain a flatpak on my Navidrome server)
• mdformat: good markdown formatter, think black or gofmt but for markdown), but it didn't actually do what I needed, and it's not quite as opinionated as it should (or could) be)

Backports already in use

Those are packages I already use regularly, which have backports or that can just be installed from unstable:

• asn: IP address forensics
• markdownlint: markdown linter, I use that a lot
• poweralertd: pops up "your battery is almost empty" messages
• sway-notification-center: used as part of my status bar, yet another status bar basically, a little noisy, stuck in a libc dep update
• tailspin: used to color logs

Out of date packages

Those are packages that are in Debian stable (Bookworm) already, but that are somewhat lacking and could benefit from an upgrade.

• firmware-iwlwifi: out of date, can install from unstable
• fuzzel / foot: log level noises A, B, fuzzel fix not in debian yet, and if we get to 1.11, my scripts in ~/bin should be patched to use --cache
• pandoc: 3.0 is ridiculously huge, but particularly remove spaces after list marker
• podman: better systemd integration
• pubpaste: out of date, can install from unstable
• tremotesf: out of date backport
• undertime: out of date, can install from unstable
• yt-dlp: out of date, can install from unstable

Last words

If you know of cool things I'm missing out of, then by all means let me know!

That said, overall, this is a pretty short list! I have most of what I need in stable right now, and if I wasn't a Debian developer, I don't think I'd be doing the jump now. But considering how easier it is to develop Debian (and how important it is to test the next release!), I'll probably upgrade soon.

Previously, I was running Debian testing (which why the slug on that article is why-trixie), but now I'm actually considering just running unstable on my laptop directly anyways. It's been a long time since we had any significant instability there, and I can typically deal with whatever happens, except maybe when I'm traveling, and then it's easy to prepare for that (just pin testing).

In this episode, we continued the break from JourneyInbox to look through more of the Go standard library. In this session, we explored JSON serialization, Go template support, and embedding of static files for easy access.